User talk:Aurora

BTW did you read my IW entry? It was oldschool but I did not do your characters justice. --Xstryker 20:22, 7 August 2006 (CDT)

I've been so busy at work and still getting settled into my new place that I've only just gotten around to it. I really, really enjoyed the concept of it. This is going to sound corny, but so much of what Kupopolis is now is so completely foreign to me that it made me feel warm inside to see so many familiar faces, even if I didn't care for some of the characterization choices. It was like coming home again.

I adored Rainere's chat with Celiose. It really encapsulated the issue of religion in Kupop in a way that I think no one else really "gets" (from what I've read). I'll sort of be addressing this in my Moonchild story arc, which I'm still plugging away at.

I'll be honest and say I didn't particularly care for the Shana/Zelda interaction, but please don't take that personally, as I'm completely unhappy with the way Shana's been portrayed in Kupop since I left. She's a very, very tricky character to get right, and sometimes I can't even manage it. On the positive side, her need for a quiet, simple life is something that I think you captured well. It's just that the reasons for it are a lot different than everyone thinks. No one's really to blame for it though, because you guys just don't know the depth of her backstory (including Travis). Yay for Wikis! Zelda also came off a little more shrewish and shallow than I would have liked, but I'm glad someone remembered Christian.

I wish I'd read your post on Shana (and several others that I missed from Celiose) before I'd written it (I am rectifying that now by trying to catch up). Shana is a tough nut to crack. Nothing interesting has been done in forever with Zelda, and I think that's because no one here these days really wants to touch a character that is such a huge part of video game iconography. It's for precisely that reason that I took her down a peg by making her rather unpleasant - to separate Zelda the aging character in Kupopolis (she's got to be pushing 40 now) from the perpetually young mystical princess of the games. I wasn't being iconoclatic for its own sake, but I needed her to be a little less likeable in order for her to be likeable at all to me. BTW, Mike's used Christian here and there, just a bit (moreso in Kupopolis Neo). --Xstryker 08:45, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

I think it bears mentioning that Hylians age slower than Humans in Kupopolis... so even if Zelda's pushing 40, she's not going to have the crotchetiness of a human with the same mileage on her... I could be wrong on that, but I distinctly remember Travis mentioning that in-story once or twice, and Aurora would definitely know if I'm right or just plain loony. --Scen 13:58, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

No, you're right. Hylians age at about the same rate as Elves, perhaps a little faster depending on how pureblood they are (Shana/Zelda are about as pureblood as you're going to find these days, FYI). You also have to take into account that Shana/Zelda aren't exactly ordinary, run-of-the-mill Hylians due to their mystical heritage and...well, if this conjures up an image of black-veiled, youthful!Shana mourning in an Arwen-esque fashion at Celiose's grave, you're about right. --Aurora 03:43, 20 August 2006 (CDT)

see, this is why i hate nonhuman characters with a passion. No offense, Aurora. --Xstryker 14:15, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

... I actually don't see the "why" there? From whence does this passion come -- the Passion of the Xstryker? --Scen 15:18, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

Must... avoid... flames... --Xstryker 15:31, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

PASSION!!!!!! --Scen 17:24, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

NONHUMANCHARACTERSUXX0RZZZZz!!1 --JD 18:03, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

I vaguely, vaguely remember them from the classics thread on the old AOL boards. I remember being a little weirded out when I read them, because it struck me how different it was from my own writing (at the time). Since then, I've wrote Symphony of Light, which I tried to do as a kind-of sort-of take on the old days. I dunno how well that worked (and obviously, you may not have read it yet, Aurora). --Tex 12:18, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

Overall I enjoyed it, and I really appreciated your efforts. It's motivating me to get my ass in gear. --Aurora 21:46, 7 August 2006 (CDT)

Two things. First: no need to dress it up, dear. I stalked you. :) And I'm very proud of the fact that you were found because everybody I told about the search thought that I was crazy, and that I would fail, and I could hear (over the internet!) a collective eye-rolling every time I reported on a lead that inevitably ended up bringing me to a dead-end.

Thing #2: Aurora is so not a West Coaster. I don't know if anybody's ever been to Phoenix, but water actually exists only as a concept there. Because it's so hot, liquid water evaporates on contact with the city limits. As a result, it's pretty solidly land-locked, being that to have a "coast" there should be some type of water running up against the edge of land. It would be like saying someone who lived in Ohio or Illinois was an East Coaster. Scen 22:07, 7 August 2006 (CDT)

My girlfriend's folks live in Phoenix. I've been there in Spring. It's awesome; 70 in the day, 60 at night. It's perfect weather. It's also God's way of playing a cruel practical joke when May rolls around. --Tex 12:18, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

Maybe this is my bad for being inaccessible, but Shana/Zelda would actually be pushing fifty. They were significantly older than Celiose when Celiose married Shana. (Celiose was only twenty; Shana was 29. Oh, the times, they do change!--I can't believe Celiose is over forty these days) But, yes, Hylians age physically much slower than humans, but it's easy to see how Zelda being completely sidelined in the politics of Hyland could make her a little bitter. --Celiose 04:45, 9 August 2006 (CDT)

Zelda would be less bitter about being sidelined politically (she's never cared about politics, aside from keeping her throne away from the Guy Who Took Her Sister) and far more bitter about the technological upheavals and "decline into the mundane" of modern day Hyrule. One thing that might be lost on the newer writers is that the Zelda aspects of Kupopolis were written ages before Ocarina of Time (this was 1995, remember). I based all the Zelda elements on the early 90s cartoon (except Ganon, who was never Pig Man, and oddly resembled the Ganondorf of OoT than anything). Toon!Zelda is light years different from the Iconic!Zelda of OoT. --Aurora 03:43, 20 August 2006 (CDT)

Yup. And Shana was based on an episode where Ganon used the Triforce to create an evil twin of Zelda. As a bit of an aside, it's interesting why certain games made it into the story and some didn't. --Celiose 01:50, 21 August 2006 (CDT)

Odd, isn't it? It must seem so incredibly arbitrary, but honestly, I swear there is some rhyme and reason to it somewhere in my head. Remember the Chrono Trigger flame wars? :D (I'm not bitter at all about Chrono finding its way into Kupop years later anyway. :P) --Aurora 04:14, 21 August 2006 (CDT)

SCENOGRAAAAAAAAF!!!!!11111 --JD 10:23, 21 August 2006 (CDT)

Moonchild

Can I list them under "rock" in the music section of the culture page? --Xstryker 08:13, 9 August 2006 (CDT)

Sure, feel free. I sux0rz with this categorizing stuff. --Aurora 14:49, 10 August 2006 (CDT)

Great War spinoff

I figure this won't happen for a while, but when it does, I think it would be awesome if we teamed up to write Ticondera together and integrated our ideas. --Xstryker 08:17, 8 September 2006 (CDT)

• I'm all for it. But (and this probably accounts for 95% of our differences regarding Ticondera), I played about five, ten minutes tops of 7th Saga. I borrowed the name, the concept of the runes, and the names of two characters (I say names because IIRC, Canon!Valsu was a wussy mage whereas Kupop!Valsu was a bad ass warrior). That's it. Ticondera owes far more to the Mallorean Empire of the Belgariad/Malloreon books than 7th Saga (Maraks are thinly disguised Nadraks, whereas Delvians are supposed to be Melcenes). Just something you might want to keep in mind. --Aurora 01:07, 9 September 2006 (CDT)
  • I'm pretty sure Adam really, really didn't like 7th Saga. Which makes it hilarious to me that he actually played through it, and pulled out the old map that game with nintendo power etc etc, in order to write about Ticondera. --JD 15:05, 9 September 2006 (CDT)
    • The names of things is all I took, and a detail or two here and there. Fuck 7th Saga. Mainly, my idea is that you'll do Salynae, and I'll do Tauroch and Aemsmald Graulemn (high grolim - like Urvon, I guess). We'll work together on cultural details - I'll have a bunch more in the wiki by that point. --Xstryker 20:11, 10 September 2006 (CDT)

I still remember Adam proudly telling me that he had soldiered through 7th Saga. I've often wondered why certain games made it in and certain games didn't.--Celiose 02:46, 9 September 2006 (CDT)

• • Answer: Aurora is capricious. --Aurora 16:55, 9 September 2006 (CDT)

• Ok NOW THINGS ARE FINALLY MAKING SENSE TO ME!! I was actually a fan of 7th SaGa, and several games in the SaGa franchise after it. And having played them, I was always totally confused on what the heck was the connection between kupop Ticondera and and 7th Ticondera other then just the names of a few things. And now I know: it was based more on some books I never read! --Michael 02:55, 9 September 2006 (CDT)
  • 7th Saga and the SaGa series are the same thing? I had no clue. Of course, I've never played either. --JD 15:05, 9 September 2006 (CDT)
    • ... 7th Saga has nothing to do with the SaGa games. Mike is even more confused than he suspects.  ;-) --Scen 15:44, 9 September 2006 (CDT)
      • Huh. Looking it up, you're right. I just always thought 7th Saga was apart of the SaGa franchise, since you played through the game as several different characters like the other SaGa games. --Michael 18:04, 9 September 2006 (CDT)